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if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it a high powered hand gun? >> well, i'm assuming most hand guns are high powered, right? >> so you ca
if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher...
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belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk toed his mother, kissed his baby girl and left. he drove five miles to the chiefs' practice field after several minutes of pleading with him, they couldn't talk belcher off the ledge. belcher thanked the coaches, knelt down beside a car, made a sign of a cross and put a shot to his fare hoed ending his life -- fairhead ending his life. serve trying to make this about their issue. nbc and bob costas used the tragedy to promote gun control. remember this? >> in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and the possible connection to football will be analyzed. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkin
belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk...
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belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it has anything do with how people end up committing crimes like this? and not able to deal with the success he earned? >> andrea: i think there is a family element to certain things. maybe the way he was raised or how he wasn't raised. maybe he wasn't taught right from wrong. i have a hard time buying this. this is a total argument. a but-for argument. but for the family he would haven't don
belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all...
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there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive football players. only the kickers. those are the only ones allowed to have them. >> that's true. they drink a lot i think. >> i like costas, but this was neither the time nor the place. they have to understand something, political statements are not for them. they are for the fans. the fans are the only ones eloquent enough to say stuff. the fan with the sign that says "kill all refs" and the fan with the cape and nothing but a cape holding up the" january 3:-- "john 3:16" and they can make comments because they paid a lot of money to be there. >> someone compared the nra to the kkk. >> come o
there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive...
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jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points with other people in media. same with whitlock, who is a chucklehead. this guy in the knickss when he was talking about jeremy lin played off a stereotypical deficiency i'm not even going to get in to. who refers to the nra as kkk. he is a bigot. apologize for that. >> bob: what is a ghoul? >> greg: somebody uses tragedy to build himself up. he is a hypocrite. because he doesn't worry about being armed. people are armed for him. we live in a building right now, we work atuilding right now, where everybody has a gun outside. we're lucky. the rest of the public doesn't. >> bob: er
jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points...
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in the coming days, belcher's action and the connection to football will be analyzed. who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe. if belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to federal election records from open secrets.org and found 96% of donations from ivy league faculty and staff went to president obama. congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in
in the coming days, belcher's action and the connection to football will be analyzed. who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe. if belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to...
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we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out. obviously, i think you have to discourage people from carrying guns. and particularly in the national football league, with everything that's going on about the clear connection now between mental health and brain damage and erratic behavior exacerbated and probably one of the most violent games on earth, romeo crennel that belcher was a leader and one of the first guys in drills. we didn't see this coming. and that's the problem. number one, they are not trained to see it coming. the gun lobby is just so overwhelming. i think that if athletes, for example, who if they are looking for a civil right
we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out....
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity.
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity.
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belcher's agent says he like everyone else is stunned that belcher turned violent. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there's nothing in my relationship with him that would indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have caused him to commit such a heinous act as this and we just -- we'll never know, unfortunately. and i think that's the great debate of this. >> chiefs won the game against carolina and later in the locker room head coach spoke to the team. >> it's something really good today. really good. you overcame a lot. you stuck together as a team like we talked about. helped each other. all right? family and friends. you relied on those people. all right? you relied on your faith to help get you through this and we got through it. and in a grand way because everybody made a contribution. everybody helped. okay in that's what a team is about. that's what a team is about. >> police say belcher used a gun to kill his partner and himself and halftime segment on sunday night football bob costas made a case for gun control. sports reporter joe ca
belcher's agent says he like everyone else is stunned that belcher turned violent. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there's nothing in my relationship with him that would indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have caused him to commit such a heinous act as this and we just -- we'll never know, unfortunately. and i think that's the great debate of this. >> chiefs won the game against carolina and later in the locker room head coach spoke...
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the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob costas spewing sang t sancts drek. >> where are we headed? bob costas deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> he's allowed to have his opinion. yes, he's allowed to go there. >> we want to ban guns because the gun kills the person, not the person pulling the trigger. >> you want to get a political lecture by the rantings on the left, i suggest that bob costas could have worked for msnbc. >> jason whitlock's right. if there's no gun here, nobody's dead. i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense he was calling for specific legislation or saying here's what we should do. >> how come
the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob...
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every night. you know what, ryan? i appreciate that very much. so i'm sending you a nice christmas present. hope you enjoy it. finally tonight, the factor tip of the day, as you may know, we raise money for the wounded warrior project and for the fisher house which provides support to the families of military people hurt in action. we're pleased to announce that the sotheby's auction house here in new york city will put a wounded warrior's poster signed by all five living american presidents up for bid on december 14th. there are only three of these posters we know in the world, and nothin
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every...
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belcher who lose control. and you cannot disarm the entire american population to combat madness. it would be madness to even try that the past 10 years increase in the number of handguns in america. there may be 100 million of them in circulation right now. but there has been a decrease in handgun crime. 10 years ago about 7,000 handgun murders. last year the number was 6,000 it is quite understandable that people are reacting emotionally to this terrible crime in kansas city. but the problem america has is not law abiding citizens possessing weapons. that's not damaging the nation. crimes committed with handguns and out-of-control people that's what's hurting the u.s.a. you will never stop crimes of madness, you are never going to stop them like the kansas city situation. you can put violent criminals away for a long time if they use a gun during the commission of a crime. and that should be done. that's the memo. now for the top story tonight reaction. joining us from washington mary catherine ham and juan williams from washington. where am i going wrong, juan. >> you said peop
belcher who lose control. and you cannot disarm the entire american population to combat madness. it would be madness to even try that the past 10 years increase in the number of handguns in america. there may be 100 million of them in circulation right now. but there has been a decrease in handgun crime. 10 years ago about 7,000 handgun murders. last year the number was 6,000 it is quite understandable that people are reacting emotionally to this terrible crime in kansas city. but the problem...
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javon belcher is clearly a person who had a tremendous amount of pain in his life. he shot his girlfriend eight times. that is an extraordinary amount of anger spilling out of him. this is not what the founders envisioned, and this is not the best policy that we can have for our society. >> that anger is what we should be talking about. we're talking about the weapons. we're not talking about domestic violence, and that does a huge disservice to the woman who is in that situation who his done o service by bob costas telling millions of nfl viewers that they have permission to blame guns instead of the person who pulled the trigger. so we're not going to talk about the reason for domestic violence. we're not going to talk about maybe whether or not this guy had psychiatric problems. we're going to talk about the gun. for whitlock or costas to give an inanimate object human capabilities, saying that handguns exacerbate our flaws and bait us into embracing confrontation is absolutely absurd, and i think that rather than talk about the guns, what we should be talking ab
javon belcher is clearly a person who had a tremendous amount of pain in his life. he shot his girlfriend eight times. that is an extraordinary amount of anger spilling out of him. this is not what the founders envisioned, and this is not the best policy that we can have for our society. >> that anger is what we should be talking about. we're talking about the weapons. we're not talking about domestic violence, and that does a huge disservice to the woman who is in that situation who his...
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no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, inthat i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of course he could have. but the easy availability of guns makes this sort of thing far more likely to occur. if somebody points out that the country has a problem with nutrition and obesity, that doesn't mean they want to ban fast food. but they are you aware of some of the dangers and hoping to moderate people's behavior. if nothing else, even if some people disagree with me or misinterpret what i said. if it started a conversation on this, then i think that's a good thing. >> it is my honor that you joined us tonight with your first television interv
no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, inthat i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of course...
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their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day. the football business was hoping that tv football commentators would ignore the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend. but bob costas could not. >> in the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in kansas city, the mindless sports cliches was heard yet again. something like this really puts it all in perspective. well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective that we regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. please, those who need tragedies t
their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day....
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our prayers and condolences go out to the family of jovan belcher. they are also grieving. >> reporter: earlier that morning belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins. the couple leaves behind a 3-month-old baby. >> i know that she really was excited and loved that baby. and she's just a beautiful person inside and out. >> reporter: fans tailgated, but the shootings hung heavily over the stadium. >> it's not the celebratory atmosphere that it usually is. >> first instincts i had was what are they going to do? are they going to play the game or postpone it? >> reporter: before kickoff, a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence and their families. belcher's name was not mentioned, but it didn't have to be. >> obviously, there was some deeper issues that none of us knew about, and it's just sad that it had to happen the way he did and he couldn't get help. >> reporter: in belcher's hometown of west babylon, new york, a vigil for the former high school star whose life and another were cut short by his own hands. >> our prayers a
our prayers and condolences go out to the family of jovan belcher. they are also grieving. >> reporter: earlier that morning belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins. the couple leaves behind a 3-month-old baby. >> i know that she really was excited and loved that baby. and she's just a beautiful person inside and out. >> reporter: fans tailgated, but the shootings hung heavily over the stadium. >> it's not the celebratory atmosphere that it usually is....
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martha: belcher is not the first nfl player to recently take his life. junior say oh and dave diewr on both died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. we'll talk to jim coming up in the next hour. >> 6 minutes past the hour. former president george herbert walker bush waking up in a houston hospital. said to be in stable condition being treated for a bronchitis-related cough. he's 91 years old. he has been visited by several of his children including former president george w. bush. hopefully he will be going home very soon. martha: there are around the clock demonstrations in egypt as president morsi and the muslim brotherhood push through a hard-line islamist constitution. morsi supporters blocked them from entering the courthouse in order to give a ruling on this constitution. steve harrigan joins us from there. where do we stand now with this constitutional court having no ability to rule at this point? >> reporter: the most unusual situation in cairo where you have egypt's top court whose judges now say basically they are afraid to do their job. they we
martha: belcher is not the first nfl player to recently take his life. junior say oh and dave diewr on both died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. we'll talk to jim coming up in the next hour. >> 6 minutes past the hour. former president george herbert walker bush waking up in a houston hospital. said to be in stable condition being treated for a bronchitis-related cough. he's 91 years old. he has been visited by several of his children including former president george w. bush. hopefully...
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javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't have the facts . no one will know whether or not he would have killed her with or without a gun. >> brian: people with guns can get them. >> steve: he had them legally. >> brian: illegally? >> steve: legally. >> brian: i just don't know it is appropriate enough less than 24 hours after the guy took his girlfriend and mother of his baby to make that stance. i don't think we needed to hear that last night. >> steve: i think you are right. 10 after the top of the hour. >> gretchen: a dope smuggler rams his boat in a another boat. the coast guard
javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't...
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he never threatened them or anything. >> reporter: minutes earlier and five miles away belcher gunned down his girlfriend, the mother of his 3-month-old baby. >> there are a lot of people who are hurting. there's a young baby without a parent, or parents. >> reporter: now chiefs nans are asking questions that may never be answered. how can such a seemingly blessed life end so terribly. >> it's shocking. it's horrible. >> he had such an opportunity. i can't imagine what the families are going through right now there are team decided to go ahead as scheduled with sunday's home game against the carolina panthers, playing on despite a tragedy that hits so close to home. brian mooar, nbc news. >> the oakland raiders released this statement. quote, they are empathizing with the chiefs organization. our heart are wounded by such an unmanage jabl tragedy in our nfl family. we will continue to pray for everyone involved. the raiders and chief, of course, have been division rivals dating back to the 1960s. >>> and still to come at 5:00, the giants might already be moving on without brian wilson
he never threatened them or anything. >> reporter: minutes earlier and five miles away belcher gunned down his girlfriend, the mother of his 3-month-old baby. >> there are a lot of people who are hurting. there's a young baby without a parent, or parents. >> reporter: now chiefs nans are asking questions that may never be answered. how can such a seemingly blessed life end so terribly. >> it's shocking. it's horrible. >> he had such an opportunity. i can't imagine...
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- old line backer, jovan belcher. he drove to the practice facility and thanked the chief, coach and general manager before taking his own life. >> he never threatened them or anything. they talked for a little bit and that's when he shot himself. >> reporter: the suicide followed a domestic incident 5 miles from the stadium. he shot his girlfriend, 22-year- old kasandra perkins multiple times killing her. >> they're been arguing before the shooting occurred this morning. >> reporter: belcher's mother called 911. she had moved into the house to help with grandchild. he got his start here on this field in new york. as a senior he led the team to the first undefeated season eventually going onto play college ball in maine before landing in the pros. he spent all four of his nfl seasons with the chiefs moving into the starting line up and playing every game this r year. the team is 1 and 10 this year. the mayor wouldn't speculate on a motive for the shootings but acknowledged the pressure of the job. >> we're talking abo
- old line backer, jovan belcher. he drove to the practice facility and thanked the chief, coach and general manager before taking his own life. >> he never threatened them or anything. they talked for a little bit and that's when he shot himself. >> reporter: the suicide followed a domestic incident 5 miles from the stadium. he shot his girlfriend, 22-year- old kasandra perkins multiple times killing her. >> they're been arguing before the shooting occurred this morning....
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that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt like they were in any danger. at least that's according to police. but then he shot himself right in front of them. the police now know exactly what happened. what they're trying to figure out in this investigation is obviously why it happened. >> yeah, i mean 25 years old. he'd been really just sort of a, an underdog in a lot of ways and he'd been so successful in that. there have been six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in the past two years. which is an unprecedented number. what are they looking in
that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt...
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that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad morsi blocked the high court from indefinitely suspending all court sessions. that would suspend a ruling on the drawing up of egypt's new constitution. president morsi declared his decisions are now immune from judicial oversight. >>> it is a frightening and deadly scene in japan. just look at this. at least two cars are still trapped inside a highway tunnel after a massive section of the concrete structure collapsed. police say they have already found several burned bodies inside the rubble about 50 miles west of tokyo. it is not clear what caused the tunnel to cave in or how many cars were inside
that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad...
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jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were completely shocked by this. it seems so out of character. having said that, as you know, there's been at least six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in just the past two years. murder-suicide unprecedented. however there are some people this morning who are speculating these tragedies could have been linked to undiagnosed concussion injuries. any truth to that? >> well, we don't know if there's truth to it, but it's certainly a natural area of inquiry. the nfl has been trying in the last couple of years to deal with the issue of concussions. as you menti
jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were...
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no mention of belcher by name. police say belcher shot and killed his girlfriend cassandra perkins at their home and then drove to the chiefs training facility near arrowhead stadium, took out a gun and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. belcher and perkins were parents of a three month old baby girl, who was in another room at the time of the shooting. she was not hurt. the chiefs won today. they beat the carolina panthers only their second win of the season. that's of course nearly over. following the game. players from both teams gathered at the center of the field in prayer. >> well, the taliban sparking a two hour gun battle at a joint u.s. afghan air base today. we're told two cars packed with explosions barreled toward the main gate of the air base in eastern afghanistan. one of the cars blew up at the gate and guards started shooting at the second vehicle before it also exploded and american helicopters joining the fight and three afghan workers killed, and two afghan students caught nu
no mention of belcher by name. police say belcher shot and killed his girlfriend cassandra perkins at their home and then drove to the chiefs training facility near arrowhead stadium, took out a gun and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. belcher and perkins were parents of a three month old baby girl, who was in another room at the time of the shooting. she was not hurt. the chiefs won today. they beat the carolina panthers only their second win of the season. that's of...
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he made some pretty controversial comments a day african can city chiefs player jovan belcher killed the mother of his 3-year-old daughter and then drove to arrowhead stadium and shot himself. >> you want some actual perspective on this? well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree, but today said it so well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenience store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will lee more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our gnaws, tempt us to escalate confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> pretty clear what he was saying. howard kurtz from cnn's ""reliable sources" "joins me live now by skype. quite a discussion has erupted since those comments were made, howie. is that a legitimate conversation that we should all be having about what bob said? >> well, it's an important conversation, ashleigh, but by stepp
he made some pretty controversial comments a day african can city chiefs player jovan belcher killed the mother of his 3-year-old daughter and then drove to arrowhead stadium and shot himself. >> you want some actual perspective on this? well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree, but today said it so well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes...
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they are grieving and we send our condolences. >> belcher's hometown, a vigil was held for the former high school stole. the couple reportedly had argued recently. they leave behind a 3-month-old baby. >>> residents in northern california may finally be getting a break from a series of powerful storms that have saturated the region over the past week. a third storm sunday dumped pounding rain and downed trees and power lines. nbc's jay gray has the latest from california. >> reporter: this morning the water and worries continue to rise across central and northern california. for almost a week now, high winds and heavy rains have pounded the west coast. trees and power lines are downed, rivers and creeks pushed past their banks. >> everybody behind us has lost almost everything. everyone's been evacuated. it's horrible. i've never seen nothing like this in real life, never. >> reporter: it is an overwhelming reality for countless families. sandbagging, trying to protect what they could, but many were still forced to find higher ground. >> it is a helpless feeling. it is. >> reporter: t
they are grieving and we send our condolences. >> belcher's hometown, a vigil was held for the former high school stole. the couple reportedly had argued recently. they leave behind a 3-month-old baby. >>> residents in northern california may finally be getting a break from a series of powerful storms that have saturated the region over the past week. a third storm sunday dumped pounding rain and downed trees and power lines. nbc's jay gray has the latest from california....
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this is jovan belcher, involved in a murder suicide here at arrowhead stadium. drove to the chief headquarters and shot himself in front of the head coach and general manager. they leave a a 3-month-old daughter. the chiefs were scheduled to host the carolina panthers tomorrow. the game will go on as scheduled. >>> last night, check the goal line stand by white. they remain tied at 7 until overtime. now 10-7, elijah, the walk off touchdown, they beat bellman, 13-10. volleyball on the lefte, mckenna becker, the soft shot and that's it. fourth straight year, the branson bulls beat try city christian to win the state championship down in irvine. the raiders did not sell out their game against the browns so for the first time in a year and a half they're not going to be seen on local television and in its place we'll have the ravens and the steelers and after the game, stay tuned for the fifth quarter where we'll have full raiders highlights and post game action i ought to know. i'll be outside the locker room. >> i hope they have a win. they need one. >>> we want t
this is jovan belcher, involved in a murder suicide here at arrowhead stadium. drove to the chief headquarters and shot himself in front of the head coach and general manager. they leave a a 3-month-old daughter. the chiefs were scheduled to host the carolina panthers tomorrow. the game will go on as scheduled. >>> last night, check the goal line stand by white. they remain tied at 7 until overtime. now 10-7, elijah, the walk off touchdown, they beat bellman, 13-10. volleyball on the...
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the shooting victim, 22-year-old cassandra perkins, belcher's livein girlfriend and the mother of their three-month-old daughter, died a short time later in the hospital. >> we heard they had been arguing in the past. as far as recently. they'd been arguing before the shooting occurred. >> the 25-year-old nfl player then drove the arrowhead stadium parking lot, got out of the car and corrode path with the general panger and head coach, and other team personnel. bell clear thank el them for all he had done for them, stepped back, and then turned the gun on himself. >> the coaches said when he pulled up they were never in danger. he never trapped them. they talked for a little bit. >> the murder-suicide sent shock waves in kansas city. >> there are people hurting, a young baby without a parent or parents. >> the chiefs released a statement declaring the entire chiefs family is deeply saddened by the events and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy, hearts and prayers. >> one day before the chiefs host the panthers, the day will go on. >> ama: new details bat campus murder in wyomi
the shooting victim, 22-year-old cassandra perkins, belcher's livein girlfriend and the mother of their three-month-old daughter, died a short time later in the hospital. >> we heard they had been arguing in the past. as far as recently. they'd been arguing before the shooting occurred. >> the 25-year-old nfl player then drove the arrowhead stadium parking lot, got out of the car and corrode path with the general panger and head coach, and other team personnel. bell clear thank el...
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. >>> also this half hour, the latest on the jovan belcher tragedy. the people closest to the nfl linebacker and the girlfriend he killed are speaking out now about the shocking murder suicide. we are also going to talk about a report that came in, "the new york post"over night, that gave details to what he was doing hours before the murder. very, very interesting. >>> later this half hour, magic man, our polkameister, sitting down with penn jillette to talk about harry houdini, magic, and familia. >>> kate middleton spending a second day in the london hospital and prince william has been at his pregnant wife's side as she is treated for severe morning sickness. >> the palace ended speculation about the duchess yesterday, confirming she is expecting. abc's nick schifrin joining us live from london. good morning, nick. >> reporter: good morning, paula. good morning, rob. what an exciting morning it is here. kates had her belly stared at, her every action scrutinized since the wedding, and now all of those people who have been incorrectly guessing she w
. >>> also this half hour, the latest on the jovan belcher tragedy. the people closest to the nfl linebacker and the girlfriend he killed are speaking out now about the shocking murder suicide. we are also going to talk about a report that came in, "the new york post"over night, that gave details to what he was doing hours before the murder. very, very interesting. >>> later this half hour, magic man, our polkameister, sitting down with penn jillette to talk about...
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most of the of the talk about with jovan belcher. just a personal crack-up? or is there something bigger here? >> well, it's the sort of -- first of all, the biggest crack-up in my opinion was with the national football lealing for allowing them to play this game. >> playing anyway? >> it shouldn't have happened if you look at the timeline by 8:00 a.m., johan belcher kills the mother of his child. by 10:00 a.m. he kills himself flovrpt his head coach scottie pioli and his defensive coordinator. by 10:00 a.m., the n.f.l. is telling the panthers to make the trip to kansas city. by 3:00 p.m., there is a hastily worded releases that say no, the decision was actually by the kansas city chiefs and head coach rom yes purnell and it's best for the team for the healing processes to go ball and play. now, en if you do believe that -- and frank, i don't. but even if you do believe that that it was the decision of the chiefs and their captains why is that even their decision to make? this seems like more an issue for mental health professionals than anymore. jaf javon be
most of the of the talk about with jovan belcher. just a personal crack-up? or is there something bigger here? >> well, it's the sort of -- first of all, the biggest crack-up in my opinion was with the national football lealing for allowing them to play this game. >> playing anyway? >> it shouldn't have happened if you look at the timeline by 8:00 a.m., johan belcher kills the mother of his child. by 10:00 a.m. he kills himself flovrpt his head coach scottie pioli and his...
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jovan belcher shot and killed his 22-year-old girlfriend in their home and belcher's mother and three month old daughter in another room and he then drove to the chiefs practice facility and met up with the head coach and general manager there before turning away and taking his own life in front of them. >> if you can take your worst nightmare and then put somebody that you know and love into that situation a give them a gun and stand three feet away from them and watch them kill themselves, that's what it's like. it's unfathomable. >> police did not release a motive, but he and his girlfriend had been arguing frequently. he was just 25 years old. >> could a broken signal cause this train to derail. it stopped for a ligred light ad got the approved to go. and investigators are looking into the signal issues may have led to the crash. well, first they ran out of gas while trying to steal gas and two would-be thieves led key efforts. >> i think on the world's dumbest criminals, first you run out of fuel and then leave your truck behind. >> they were trying to steal gas from a golf cours
jovan belcher shot and killed his 22-year-old girlfriend in their home and belcher's mother and three month old daughter in another room and he then drove to the chiefs practice facility and met up with the head coach and general manager there before turning away and taking his own life in front of them. >> if you can take your worst nightmare and then put somebody that you know and love into that situation a give them a gun and stand three feet away from them and watch them kill...
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. >> number 5, in the coming days javon belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyze. who knows but here quote jason whitlock if javon didn't possess a guy, he and cas an draw perkins would be alive today. >> speaking of football college football, alabama over georgia big moment. >> number 4. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. alabama wins! alabama wins. crimson tide won again. they will play for all of the marbles. time to make a little more room in the trophy case. peters role tide >> bill: john mccain and john pete kerriy at a news conference this week sharing something in common. >> senator mccain. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary. >> uh-huh. >> thank you very much, mr. president. this is what happens when you get two loosers up here -- here -- here -- loose. >> other night, we lit up the congressional christmas treat. john boehner did and he explained what the christmas tree is all about. >> number 2. >> we will bring light to the tree that flourishes as as symbol of everlasting light. and in turn, this tree will bring light for us opening our hearts a little more than
. >> number 5, in the coming days javon belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyze. who knows but here quote jason whitlock if javon didn't possess a guy, he and cas an draw perkins would be alive today. >> speaking of football college football, alabama over georgia big moment. >> number 4. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. alabama wins! alabama wins. crimson tide won again. they will play for all of the marbles. time to make a little more room in the trophy case....
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meantime, several chiefs players attended a memorial service for belcher yesterday. he killed his girlfriend at the house they shared on saturday before turning the gun on himself and committing suicide. but his little daughter will receive at least $1 million from the nfl as she grows up. $9,000 per month for the next four years. and then at least $4,000 per month from age 4 until she turns 18 or if she does go to college. >> 23 goes to college. so incentive to stay in school. covered by the league's health care plan for the next five years as well. so the team was represented at, his funeral service, yesterday. and will also have team representation at his girlfriend's service, in a few days. so it's still a tragic situation at least you know the little girl the real victim in all of this will be taken care of by the league. >> as will beneficiaries receive $1.2 million. they're not necessarily stating who those beneficiaries are at the moment, though. tragic though. >>> in other news this morning. major developments in the fight against breast cancer. a new study
meantime, several chiefs players attended a memorial service for belcher yesterday. he killed his girlfriend at the house they shared on saturday before turning the gun on himself and committing suicide. but his little daughter will receive at least $1 million from the nfl as she grows up. $9,000 per month for the next four years. and then at least $4,000 per month from age 4 until she turns 18 or if she does go to college. >> 23 goes to college. so incentive to stay in school. covered by...